[Unfortunately, given the nature of this worse-than-actual-social-media, Lucifer sees it to. His gaze is sharp, glinting. It comes with the vaguest, airy threat of 'I dare you.'.
He knows Istredd can't help himself. Knows it'll only keep devolving.
So the odd ping of rolling text somewhere along the floor gets in his vision and he's snapped out onto Istredd in an instant, pinning him very rudely onto his back.] Nope. We're done. Let you dig your own grave, little public cat fight. [He straddles Istredd's hips, immovable stone archangel, leaning far out of reach, still annoyingly pulling his string between his fingers.
He sees Nero's response trickling in somewhere over Istredd's head. Rolls his eyes. He reaches down with both hands holding one of the shapes neatly between them and presses his pointedly into Istredd's chest Stares down at Istredd, cool and commanding.] Shut it out, Istredd. [Like telling someone to walk away from the internet. Block the connection. ]
[ As soon as Nero's reply to that comes in, and the particular dig about Satan, Istredd sees red. He is already writing up something that he knows would be cruel, because he can see Nero's weakness. He scents the blood in his reply, that Istredd got to him, and he knows how to push to spiral him out. It's right on the tip of his tongue, the mental version of his.
Istredd's empathy can make him a really good person, but it can also make him a really vicious enemy.
And he would regret it but the anger shoots and his impulsivity starts and if Lucifer hadn't pinned him, forcing him to focus in person, he would have gone for the low blow. Istredd struggles for a moment, and arguably he could still send the message while being physically restrained, but Lucifer shook him out of that moment of brutal revenge.
He breathes easier, shaken out of it, although the anger remains just at a reasonable level. ]
[At least Lucifer had expected Istredd's anger from the moment of Nero's first response, had known what Istredd's anger would look like. Their reward for learning their boundaries and how to read each other and prepare.
He'd kept a very close eye on the proceedings and while he wanted to rip Nero a new one he let it go on, watching for that teetering towards a point of no return between him and Istredd, thinking they were in the clear, and oh, well, here we are.]
[ Istredd tried to do the grown up thing twice, once by walking away, twice by acknowledging fault and asking to move on, but Nero kept needling him. Probably not realizing that apologizing at all is very difficult for him, considering Istredd's pride, and the continuation of disrespect toward him was like a dozen needles constantly jabbing into him with every reply. ]
I saw the killing blow.
[ Metaphorically, he could see a weakness in Nero, how to exploit it, where to press. And it's not like him to be hot-headed but he has his hot buttons just like anyone. Istredd sighs and closes his eyes, trying to calm down.]
[Lucifer could get drunk on reading (and feeling) Istredd doling out the weaponized strikes, hitting where it hurts. But that comes with problems other than just Istredd's immense, unrecoverable, Regret.
Which is pretty bad in itself.] He's a child and that was a public forum. [He's less concerned about the child part and far more concerned about the 'public venue' part, obviously.]
[ And yet that is the role he's chosen, the one he's had since he was younger than Nero. It is all self-imposed although the mages did need to grow up very fast. They never had their teen years, they didn't get outlets where they could be that catty and struggle until they were older. And that was part of Stregobor's molding too. Calm. Controlled. Never let someone get to you, they're all lesser than you.
In that moment, he could almost see Stregobor in him, go for the pain, go for the killing blow. It's not always a bad thing to be able to do that, and if it was one of the cultists or a Thorne enemy, he wouldn't hesitate. But it's Nero, so it's not the same. They're not actually enemies. ]
He probably saved my life in the Pit. Someone else was drugged and out of their mind and strangled me. He got in the way. I did the same thing for Geralt.
[ They did try to help each other. He doesn't name that Ciri was the one because that is still not a topic he likes. The problem with the situation with Ciri is that he was going to let her kill him. Also not something Lucifer would want to know. ]
Yeah, it really sucks for you. [There's an attempted lightness to his voice.
Yeah he doesn't want to hear the strangling part in general.
It's hilarious that Istredd even try to throw out that he was fine when going down memory lane, ignoring the anger part of it all, probably isn't helping.] Responsibility's a bitch and you went and took the largest possible serving of it and now you gotta suffer the consequences that come with it. That's the double-edged sword of being closely regard and seen, Istredd. Can't just fade to the shadows.
[ Writing down the experience with Wanda, sharing it. It wasn't his idea but he is going to support her and she needed his details. He never noted that it wasn't his choice to share Lorelai's location because that would be ratting her out, so he chose to take the brunt of that accusation instead. He assumes Wanda will talk to Nero separately, she is unlikely to let that fly. Just ... less public than their catty conversation. ]
The public conversation, whenever we get that set up, will also be that.
[ They were talking about next month for that, time for them to get all their info in order and prepare things for people. If it is still in the library, and that seems to be a good idea so he can show off the chalkboards of information, he will need that prep time. It's true that he chose this though. He could have continued to be quiet and isolated and left everything to others. Istredd misses those days. It was simpler.
He deflates underneath Lucifer, anger bleeding away because it rarely ever stays.]
Get off me, I'm not going to fight with him anymore.
[ He is going to go and reply to other things though. He rubs at his eyes. ]
Nah. [He does take his hands off Istredd though and resumes leaning out of reach, mildly amused.] I'm far better than an 'emotional support animal.' [Except he doesn't purr.] And you're more than capable keeping up with chatter from there.
[ Istredd rolls his eyes and then focuses instead on reading the other comments that weren't him and Nero making asses of themselves in public. ]
Himeka being willing to talk to that god again is promising. I believe she's aware of the theory about the original Summoned. Having more people in Solvunn learn High Magic would be great.
[ Yes, he wanted to learn it himself, he desperately wanted to, but sometimes you can't get what you want. This will have to do. ]
You like me being on top of you. [Maybe. Probably??? Probably not he just puts up with a lot of Lucifer's eccentricities.
Lucifer learned some things about High Magic from Michael but ultimately they just don't have the right means in Thorne. Secret Basement Underground Native Cult is still what Lucifer thinks is there only option, because hiding a shrine somewhere in the castle is nigh impossible.] Having more people in Solvunn practice High Magic is more the necessity there. But better she bite off more she can chew than us if she's already got some connection.
[ Istredd says with no small amount of amusement. It is typical Lucifer to ruin all his bad moods. He isn't even allowed to linger long in anger at someone else, his significant other just slips in there being effortlessly distracting. Very annoying.
He puts up his hands so Lucifer can do the cat's cradle thing with him. He can multi-task with that and actually answering real questions now. ]
They've gone up in number I believe, just like us. More options.
[ There was a surge in newcomers. He wonders if the factions know more than they do right then. ]
I'm flagging that Jill woman mentioning killing gods. We really don't need new people attempting to fight the gods.
You multitask while Lucifer says unkind things about other people.] So what if she does? She'll just be swatted down like a bug. They'll just make an example of her and we'll be done with it.
[ Istredd is somewhat of a natural with Cat's Cradle. He's very good at doing regular static movement with his hands, being the endlessly reading, writing, and studying type. ]
Or they'll take it out on all of us and we'll be no closer to finding out more about their source.
[ He is very serious about finding out answers about the gods, and since he has no ability to do it himself, he has to put all his faith into Wanda and Himeka. He is annoyed at anyone jumping right to destruction, but they might not know any better.]
And they're new. They don't know what they're talking about.
[ It's his responsibility to look out for the new people and hopefully not let them get killed. ]
[There's a reason he plays this simple game. Just something rhythmic to focus on. Centering. There's other reasons, too, but. They're a different matter entirely.]
You know I don't think very highly of deities but I imagine the gods to have less of a mass temper-tantrum reaction as a certain queen does. Barely even notice a tiny human shouting incessantly at them and poking them with a toothpick. [He doesn't know what the new batch's abilities are but he doesn't imagine they have the capabilities to take on the pantheon.] You can't teach the ignorant. They have to learn in the fire.
[ Istredd hopes that some day he learns those reasons because obviously he knows it's a nervous tic of a sort for Lucifer. He started doing it with his hands when he was upset about Jack going missing, so it means something to him. But he knows when to press and when not to, and offering to do it together at least gives Lucifer a partner there too. ]
You say that until one of our people pays the price. I'm not risking anyone on ignorance.
[ 'Our people' being their real friends, not the newcomers. The kids, for example. Istredd may be too cautious, but he thinks after the heralds, they have good reason. ]
We don't know how powerful they are. They could be Wandas.
[ Yeah, Wanda's higher on his list of powerhouses than Lucifer himself. What of it. ]
[Look he has Wanda higher on the list than himself. But he also knows what she's capable of, what she's supposed to be capable of.]
Uggggh that's not fair, you can't use that against me.
[It's absolutely fair and not only that it's smart. Lucifer squashes Istredd's anger and overall narrow-minded not-thought-through ideas and Istredd squashes down (most of) Lucifer's going-to-blow-up-in-all-their-faces disasters.
He at least thinks about them now, anyway.
Thinking about them and taking them into complete consideration isn't always enough however. Someone's gotta make the shady deals, the dark deeds, the bad risks. That's still Lucifer. Because he thinks he can handle it, absorb the damage unto himself.
Perfectly healthy things.]
Fine, maybe she can kill a god. Good for her if she can. So fine. Fiiiine. [F I N E] Make sure she's smart about it or whatever.
[ Istredd is still feeling a little salty, although none of it is pointed at his beloved archangel. Just generalized frustration. At Nero, at these newcomers, at the experience he had to dredge up and how little they still know about things he feels they need. It isn't the best day for his overthinking, churning brain.
He likes the repetitive motion of the game though and Lucifer's constant contact with him is always helpful. They are good at filling each other's weaknesses. ]
There will be no god killing until we know for sure if they used to be Summoned. If we're inevitably going to end up the same, we have to get ahead of it.
[ Istredd wants to know how they were 'corrupted' if it was them, because he can think of all kinds of ways that could happen here. He isn't protecting gods, he's protecting them and their future. He wants to be here for the next few centuries, but not turn into the heralds. Perfectly reasonable thing to be concerned with. ]
Luckily they're in Thorne. They won't have access to the gods currently. I'll handle it. Eventually.
[ He's mentally weary already, closing his eyes to stop seeing the words, especially the conversations not pertinent to him now. ]
[Istredd's saltiness only makes Lucifer grin. Little spitfire, like Lucifer's going to discourage that.
He shifts position so he sprawls out, still atop Istredd, hands and string in close proximity, just pushing his legs out across the floor so that he can rock his ankles side to side.] Yeah alright I don't want to become God Tier in a decade and have some new Summoned try to ruin my day.
You have other people at your beck and call that can help 'handle it'. [Not Lucifer (technically). Lucifer is not (technically) at Istredd's beck and call.
He makes a face at the mention of the woman and says nothing. Let Istredd say whatever he wants to say, Lucifer isn't being sucked into a lead-in.]
[ Typically if he was with anyone else, Istredd would simply move them, but Lucifer is too strong to do that, and if he refuses to move there is nothing that Istredd can do about it. It would be like trying to push against a concrete wall. He's learned that first-hand. He hopes asking will get him the desired result, if partly because he too likes to drape over Lucifer. ]
I love your continued certainty that you can achieve god status in a decade. A little delusional, but ambitious. And I don't have people at my beck and call.
[ Okay maybe a little of his saltiness can be shared. Istredd can't do much from this position so he does push his hands with the string up toward his chest. A poke. ]
Going to that island is going to be difficult for some of us. You may have to hear things about it you don't want to. I'm warning you now.
But he will, with the Most Drawn Out Petulance, slant his back down to the floor and fully lift his legs so that Istredd can Do What He will since he is the most surly of the two of them at the moment and that should Be Acknowledged.]
I have ten years for you to prove me otherwise. Peanuts. I promise you I'll do most of my work in the latter half. [Because grace levels. And. Ugh. Magic.
But being 'delusional' is exceptionally on-brand for the devil, as Istredd will learn. (As Istredd likely already knows, but hasn't quite associated with the Devil.)
Just like, similarly, Istredd will recognize Lucifer Not Talking About the funguslady is for his benefit, not Lucifer's.] It's not about that. I didn't ask about things that I should have--and clearly I should have been more... in that scenario. You, whoever was involved, should have killed her. If not for necessity to what she had power for down the road, but for that silly little thing called mercy. [He huffs, a tone that is........... likely not helping.] But I already said that for your being the 'sane' one, you were anything but.
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Date: 2023-08-10 12:39 am (UTC)Well.
Mostly for cutting him off.
Little less proud for the 'you were right' part, but. Still.
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Date: 2023-08-10 12:41 am (UTC)He was distracting from the important parts of the post. Neutralizing him was the only way to get back to the topic.
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Date: 2023-08-10 12:45 am (UTC)[He will find you in that rare occasion and sit down in front of you and pull out his well-worn string and start going through the motions.]
Just watch, awhile. But I think I figured out how two people do it, finally.
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Date: 2023-08-10 01:07 am (UTC)[ He is too distracted to cat's cradle and can't help but do one more reply. And clearly he regrets it on the bond, but he's so pissed off. ]
Ah, fuck.
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Date: 2023-08-10 01:20 am (UTC)He knows Istredd can't help himself. Knows it'll only keep devolving.
So the odd ping of rolling text somewhere along the floor gets in his vision and he's snapped out onto Istredd in an instant, pinning him very rudely onto his back.] Nope. We're done. Let you dig your own grave, little public cat fight. [He straddles Istredd's hips, immovable stone archangel, leaning far out of reach, still annoyingly pulling his string between his fingers.
He sees Nero's response trickling in somewhere over Istredd's head. Rolls his eyes. He reaches down with both hands holding one of the shapes neatly between them and presses his pointedly into Istredd's chest Stares down at Istredd, cool and commanding.] Shut it out, Istredd. [Like telling someone to walk away from the internet. Block the connection. ]
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Date: 2023-08-10 01:53 am (UTC)Istredd's empathy can make him a really good person, but it can also make him a really vicious enemy.
And he would regret it but the anger shoots and his impulsivity starts and if Lucifer hadn't pinned him, forcing him to focus in person, he would have gone for the low blow. Istredd struggles for a moment, and arguably he could still send the message while being physically restrained, but Lucifer shook him out of that moment of brutal revenge.
He breathes easier, shaken out of it, although the anger remains just at a reasonable level. ]
Such a prick.
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Date: 2023-08-10 02:03 am (UTC)He'd kept a very close eye on the proceedings and while he wanted to rip Nero a new one he let it go on, watching for that teetering towards a point of no return between him and Istredd, thinking they were in the clear, and oh, well, here we are.]
Yep. He is. No arguments from me there.
[He is definitely not moving.]
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Date: 2023-08-10 02:09 am (UTC)I saw the killing blow.
[ Metaphorically, he could see a weakness in Nero, how to exploit it, where to press. And it's not like him to be hot-headed but he has his hot buttons just like anyone. Istredd sighs and closes his eyes, trying to calm down.]
But it would have been cruel. He's a child.
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Date: 2023-08-10 02:25 am (UTC)Which is pretty bad in itself.] He's a child and that was a public forum. [He's less concerned about the child part and far more concerned about the 'public venue' part, obviously.]
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Date: 2023-08-10 02:37 am (UTC)[ And yet that is the role he's chosen, the one he's had since he was younger than Nero. It is all self-imposed although the mages did need to grow up very fast. They never had their teen years, they didn't get outlets where they could be that catty and struggle until they were older. And that was part of Stregobor's molding too. Calm. Controlled. Never let someone get to you, they're all lesser than you.
In that moment, he could almost see Stregobor in him, go for the pain, go for the killing blow. It's not always a bad thing to be able to do that, and if it was one of the cultists or a Thorne enemy, he wouldn't hesitate. But it's Nero, so it's not the same. They're not actually enemies.
]
He probably saved my life in the Pit. Someone else was drugged and out of their mind and strangled me. He got in the way. I did the same thing for Geralt.
[ They did try to help each other. He doesn't name that Ciri was the one because that is still not a topic he likes. The problem with the situation with Ciri is that he was going to let her kill him. Also not something Lucifer would want to know. ]
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Date: 2023-08-10 04:07 am (UTC)Yeah he doesn't want to hear the strangling part in general.
It's hilarious that Istredd even try to throw out that he was fine when going down memory lane, ignoring the anger part of it all, probably isn't helping.] Responsibility's a bitch and you went and took the largest possible serving of it and now you gotta suffer the consequences that come with it. That's the double-edged sword of being closely regard and seen, Istredd. Can't just fade to the shadows.
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Date: 2023-08-10 12:13 pm (UTC)[ Writing down the experience with Wanda, sharing it. It wasn't his idea but he is going to support her and she needed his details. He never noted that it wasn't his choice to share Lorelai's location because that would be ratting her out, so he chose to take the brunt of that accusation instead. He assumes Wanda will talk to Nero separately, she is unlikely to let that fly. Just ... less public than their catty conversation. ]
The public conversation, whenever we get that set up, will also be that.
[ They were talking about next month for that, time for them to get all their info in order and prepare things for people. If it is still in the library, and that seems to be a good idea so he can show off the chalkboards of information, he will need that prep time. It's true that he chose this though. He could have continued to be quiet and isolated and left everything to others. Istredd misses those days. It was simpler.
He deflates underneath Lucifer, anger bleeding away because it rarely ever stays.]
Get off me, I'm not going to fight with him anymore.
[ He is going to go and reply to other things though. He rubs at his eyes. ]
I'm tired. That took a lot out of both of us.
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Date: 2023-08-11 02:01 am (UTC)[ Istredd rolls his eyes and then focuses instead on reading the other comments that weren't him and Nero making asses of themselves in public. ]
Himeka being willing to talk to that god again is promising. I believe she's aware of the theory about the original Summoned. Having more people in Solvunn learn High Magic would be great.
[ Yes, he wanted to learn it himself, he desperately wanted to, but sometimes you can't get what you want. This will have to do. ]
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Date: 2023-08-17 10:10 pm (UTC)Lucifer learned some things about High Magic from Michael but ultimately they just don't have the right means in Thorne. Secret
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Date: 2023-08-17 10:20 pm (UTC)[ Istredd says with no small amount of amusement. It is typical Lucifer to ruin all his bad moods. He isn't even allowed to linger long in anger at someone else, his significant other just slips in there being effortlessly distracting. Very annoying.
He puts up his hands so Lucifer can do the cat's cradle thing with him. He can multi-task with that and actually answering real questions now. ]
They've gone up in number I believe, just like us. More options.
[ There was a surge in newcomers. He wonders if the factions know more than they do right then. ]
I'm flagging that Jill woman mentioning killing gods. We really don't need new people attempting to fight the gods.
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Date: 2023-08-18 04:23 am (UTC)You multitask while Lucifer says unkind things about other people.] So what if she does? She'll just be swatted down like a bug. They'll just make an example of her and we'll be done with it.
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Date: 2023-08-18 04:35 am (UTC)Or they'll take it out on all of us and we'll be no closer to finding out more about their source.
[ He is very serious about finding out answers about the gods, and since he has no ability to do it himself, he has to put all his faith into Wanda and Himeka. He is annoyed at anyone jumping right to destruction, but they might not know any better.]
And they're new. They don't know what they're talking about.
[ It's his responsibility to look out for the new people and hopefully not let them get killed. ]
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Date: 2023-08-18 04:42 am (UTC)You know I don't think very highly of deities but I imagine the gods to have less of a mass temper-tantrum reaction as a certain queen does. Barely even notice a tiny human shouting incessantly at them and poking them with a toothpick. [He doesn't know what the new batch's abilities are but he doesn't imagine they have the capabilities to take on the pantheon.] You can't teach the ignorant. They have to learn in the fire.
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Date: 2023-08-18 04:47 am (UTC)You say that until one of our people pays the price. I'm not risking anyone on ignorance.
[ 'Our people' being their real friends, not the newcomers. The kids, for example. Istredd may be too cautious, but he thinks after the heralds, they have good reason. ]
We don't know how powerful they are. They could be Wandas.
[ Yeah, Wanda's higher on his list of powerhouses than Lucifer himself. What of it. ]
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Date: 2023-08-18 05:42 am (UTC)Uggggh that's not fair, you can't use that against me.
[It's absolutely fair and not only that it's smart. Lucifer squashes Istredd's anger and overall narrow-minded not-thought-through ideas and Istredd squashes down (most of) Lucifer's going-to-blow-up-in-all-their-faces disasters.
He at least thinks about them now, anyway.
Thinking about them and taking them into complete consideration isn't always enough however. Someone's gotta make the shady deals, the dark deeds, the bad risks. That's still Lucifer. Because he thinks he can handle it, absorb the damage unto himself.
Perfectly healthy things.]
Fine, maybe she can kill a god. Good for her if she can. So fine. Fiiiine. [F I N E] Make sure she's smart about it or whatever.
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Date: 2023-08-18 09:12 pm (UTC)[ Istredd is still feeling a little salty, although none of it is pointed at his beloved archangel. Just generalized frustration. At Nero, at these newcomers, at the experience he had to dredge up and how little they still know about things he feels they need. It isn't the best day for his overthinking, churning brain.
He likes the repetitive motion of the game though and Lucifer's constant contact with him is always helpful. They are good at filling each other's weaknesses. ]
There will be no god killing until we know for sure if they used to be Summoned. If we're inevitably going to end up the same, we have to get ahead of it.
[ Istredd wants to know how they were 'corrupted' if it was them, because he can think of all kinds of ways that could happen here. He isn't protecting gods, he's protecting them and their future. He wants to be here for the next few centuries, but not turn into the heralds. Perfectly reasonable thing to be concerned with. ]
Luckily they're in Thorne. They won't have access to the gods currently. I'll handle it. Eventually.
[ He's mentally weary already, closing his eyes to stop seeing the words, especially the conversations not pertinent to him now. ]
About the woman in the altar ....
[ Since Lucifer didn't like that. ]
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Date: 2023-08-18 09:57 pm (UTC)He shifts position so he sprawls out, still atop Istredd, hands and string in close proximity, just pushing his legs out across the floor so that he can rock his ankles side to side.] Yeah alright I don't want to become God Tier in a decade and have some new Summoned try to ruin my day.
You have other people at your beck and call that can help 'handle it'. [Not Lucifer (technically). Lucifer is not (technically) at Istredd's beck and call.
He makes a face at the mention of the woman and says nothing. Let Istredd say whatever he wants to say, Lucifer isn't being sucked into a lead-in.]
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Date: 2023-08-18 10:31 pm (UTC)[ Typically if he was with anyone else, Istredd would simply move them, but Lucifer is too strong to do that, and if he refuses to move there is nothing that Istredd can do about it. It would be like trying to push against a concrete wall. He's learned that first-hand. He hopes asking will get him the desired result, if partly because he too likes to drape over Lucifer. ]
I love your continued certainty that you can achieve god status in a decade. A little delusional, but ambitious. And I don't have people at my beck and call.
[ Okay maybe a little of his saltiness can be shared. Istredd can't do much from this position so he does push his hands with the string up toward his chest. A poke. ]
Going to that island is going to be difficult for some of us. You may have to hear things about it you don't want to. I'm warning you now.
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Date: 2023-08-19 04:45 am (UTC)[He's all bird bones, surely. Feather light.
(That is not how vessels work in the slightest).
But he will, with the Most Drawn Out Petulance, slant his back down to the floor and fully lift his legs so that Istredd can Do What He will since he is the most surly of the two of them at the moment and that should Be Acknowledged.]
I have ten years for you to prove me otherwise. Peanuts. I promise you I'll do most of my work in the latter half. [Because grace levels. And. Ugh. Magic.
But being 'delusional' is exceptionally on-brand for the devil, as Istredd will learn. (As Istredd likely already knows, but hasn't quite associated with the Devil.)
Just like, similarly, Istredd will recognize Lucifer Not Talking About the funguslady is for his benefit, not Lucifer's.] It's not about that. I didn't ask about things that I should have--and clearly I should have been more... in that scenario. You, whoever was involved, should have killed her. If not for necessity to what she had power for down the road, but for that silly little thing called mercy. [He huffs, a tone that is........... likely not helping.] But I already said that for your being the 'sane' one, you were anything but.
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