"It's not that I think you'll do something stupid, I think you don't value yourself as highly as you need to. And not value in terms of what you're capable of, like your magic, which I know you've been told is important in the service of others. But you're more than your magic and your use to others." It is so much easier to see this in someone else than in himself, but that's part of why he does understand. Istredd sighs and decides the better approach is personal.
"I was raised in a similar way." He knows he has discussed this with Kell but it's relevant. "With the Brotherhood, you were expected your entire life to be loyal, to only live for it. When they called, you came, no matter what. Even those who thought they were rebellious, they came when fingers were snapped at them. What we could do for them, it was the only thing that mattered." Istredd got away but did he? He got away to do his studies but it was for them, he got to avoid courts and active participation back home, but none of his money was his, everything he earned was branched from their influence.
"It's led me to struggle with finding value in myself separate from that. Someone else is always more important, some cause is always bigger than me." Istredd has created his own bigger causes, and identified the people he considers more important, and he still has an instinct to think about that first. "It's taken a lot of work on other people's part to try and change that mindset." It drives Lucifer insane.
"But I see that in you and it worries me, because you're so young, Kell. I don't want you to waste decades like I did thinking your only value is what other people can take from you. You're as important as Rhy is, Kell."
Despite Istredd's best efforts Kell just shrinks into himself. Thing is, he's not fully human. In Arnes, most people saw only the Antari. Here, most people see only the human. Alien, yes, a Summoned, but mostly human. Few people see both. Lucifer did, Sabine does, and Istredd should too. Nothing made it more painfully obvious how inhuman he can be than the weeks they spent in the pit. Deprived of his magic Kell was dying there. Istredd has seen him there, he should know. So how can he say that he has some other intrinsic value other than that?
"But I am my magic. It's as much me as ... well, whatever the rest is, or what it is ever for."
Herein lies the problem. He never paid attention to that rest. Not that he had freedom to. Most of what he did was in line or against the expectations others had for him. In reaction, no matter positive or negative, to other people thoughts and opinions. What he wanted was in opposition to limitations his adopted parents had put on him. It felt good to bend or even break the rules.
"I don't see how I can separate myself from it, and if it can be useful, if I can be useful, I'd rather it be for someone I really care about. It's not importance, I just can do things for Rhy that he cannot do himself so why wouldn't I?"
But did you ask him, Kell? Did you? Did you ask him if he wants your sacrifice? To share your life with him in a way that felt so unbreakable and final. At least until Singularity. He didn't. He just dropped his future into the fire like it meant nothing. Like he's always willing to drop things for Rhy. Whether Rhy asks him for it or not. Sometimes even when he doesn't want him to...
"I love my magic, my magic is me. I was born with it, for it. It is as much my identity as it is to you. It's not about magic." Istredd being a mage is his first sense of self. It came with the highest price though. The price of being taken away from what life he might have had, the price of being threatened and emotionally tortured and controlled by the head mages. It's still difficult thinking about the Brotherhood. Their destruction is so recent.
"Why can't he do things for himself?" Istredd tilts his head, eyes piercing. "He has access to magic now, like the rest of us. What rules applied in your sphere don't matter here. Rhy doesn't need you to sacrifice everything for him because he's capable of taking care of himself." Istredd's always thought of Rhy as a very competent person, perhaps with a healthier point of view about what is his responsibility and what is not.
"Have you spoken to him about all of this? Believe me when I say a lot of miscommunication in a relationship can be a death knell." Istredd and Yennefer were apart for decades because of their issues, and even when they met again they weren't good at talking to each other. All of the struggles Lucifer and him have gone through are because of miscommunication, they're not great at it, but they're learning.
"I'm not saying you're doing anything bad or wrong, it's more that you can find more happiness if you reach for it."
Always shielded him from harm, even from the slightest inconvenience. Always gave in to his wildest whims. Even the last one that turned out pretty disastrous on its own. He does not finish his sentence. It's enough that Istredd said it out loud.
What if Rhy really doesn't need him? He'd rather not know, not ask, than learn that's the case.
"Not really," he admits.
It's better now. At least Kell doesn't try to deliberately hide things and doesn't outright lie. It's progress, but they're still not that great in talking to each other about difficult things. What can be more difficult than that? With their history?
"But I am happy."
While true, it's not all that is. Kell just doesn't see it yet.
Istredd studies him quietly, extrapolating a few things that Kell's not saying out loud, and/or not even able to communicate to himself yet. "Well I recommend you do talk to him. And I'm glad you're happy." He suspects it'll take more than him pointing it out to get anywhere. That's something the two of them will have to ultimately figure out for themselves.
"Now let's talk about Nott's pier and what we can do to get it back to itself."
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Date: 2023-12-18 08:51 pm (UTC)"I was raised in a similar way." He knows he has discussed this with Kell but it's relevant. "With the Brotherhood, you were expected your entire life to be loyal, to only live for it. When they called, you came, no matter what. Even those who thought they were rebellious, they came when fingers were snapped at them. What we could do for them, it was the only thing that mattered." Istredd got away but did he? He got away to do his studies but it was for them, he got to avoid courts and active participation back home, but none of his money was his, everything he earned was branched from their influence.
"It's led me to struggle with finding value in myself separate from that. Someone else is always more important, some cause is always bigger than me." Istredd has created his own bigger causes, and identified the people he considers more important, and he still has an instinct to think about that first. "It's taken a lot of work on other people's part to try and change that mindset." It drives Lucifer insane.
"But I see that in you and it worries me, because you're so young, Kell. I don't want you to waste decades like I did thinking your only value is what other people can take from you. You're as important as Rhy is, Kell."
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Date: 2023-12-20 11:23 am (UTC)"But I am my magic. It's as much me as ... well, whatever the rest is, or what it is ever for."
Herein lies the problem. He never paid attention to that rest. Not that he had freedom to. Most of what he did was in line or against the expectations others had for him. In reaction, no matter positive or negative, to other people thoughts and opinions. What he wanted was in opposition to limitations his adopted parents had put on him. It felt good to bend or even break the rules.
"I don't see how I can separate myself from it, and if it can be useful, if I can be useful, I'd rather it be for someone I really care about. It's not importance, I just can do things for Rhy that he cannot do himself so why wouldn't I?"
But did you ask him, Kell? Did you? Did you ask him if he wants your sacrifice? To share your life with him in a way that felt so unbreakable and final. At least until Singularity. He didn't. He just dropped his future into the fire like it meant nothing. Like he's always willing to drop things for Rhy. Whether Rhy asks him for it or not. Sometimes even when he doesn't want him to...
“You never let me fall.”
No, he won't. He can't.
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Date: 2023-12-20 09:19 pm (UTC)"Why can't he do things for himself?" Istredd tilts his head, eyes piercing. "He has access to magic now, like the rest of us. What rules applied in your sphere don't matter here. Rhy doesn't need you to sacrifice everything for him because he's capable of taking care of himself." Istredd's always thought of Rhy as a very competent person, perhaps with a healthier point of view about what is his responsibility and what is not.
"Have you spoken to him about all of this? Believe me when I say a lot of miscommunication in a relationship can be a death knell." Istredd and Yennefer were apart for decades because of their issues, and even when they met again they weren't good at talking to each other. All of the struggles Lucifer and him have gone through are because of miscommunication, they're not great at it, but they're learning.
"I'm not saying you're doing anything bad or wrong, it's more that you can find more happiness if you reach for it."
stubborn boy needs some time ;)
Date: 2023-12-24 10:37 pm (UTC)"Of course he can! I just ..."
always did it back home.
Always shielded him from harm, even from the slightest inconvenience. Always gave in to his wildest whims. Even the last one that turned out pretty disastrous on its own. He does not finish his sentence. It's enough that Istredd said it out loud.
What if Rhy really doesn't need him? He'd rather not know, not ask, than learn that's the case.
"Not really," he admits.
It's better now. At least Kell doesn't try to deliberately hide things and doesn't outright lie. It's progress, but they're still not that great in talking to each other about difficult things. What can be more difficult than that? With their history?
"But I am happy."
While true, it's not all that is. Kell just doesn't see it yet.
we can wrap on this one!
Date: 2023-12-27 12:03 am (UTC)"Now let's talk about Nott's pier and what we can do to get it back to itself."